Coin of Basil II

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What if Basil II the Bulgar-Slayer had a successor?

I would think not having a biological son would make it easier and more likely to choose a successor based on ability. It worked for Nerva, Trajan, and Hadrian. They were able to search through a pool of successors based on ability precisely because they didn't have a biological son to ascend to the purple based on nothing other than bloodline.

So I would think Basil not having a son would be a plus.



It sounds and breathes cool, sure. There's nothing stopping Basil from failing to receive the wound suggested he might have had, or Basil deciding that Constantine and his spawn inheriting would be too disastrous for words, or whatever changes things enough to get a son from his loins.

Whether or not it makes a difference to Byzantium is an open question, as BG can go into better than I can.

Is there any particular reason you say "probably" here?

Not arguing, as it being possibly true mentioned as part of why Basil I may have disliked Leo so intensely in everything I've read, just wondering if you've run into anything especially conclusive.

DNA testing would be nice, but that means we need the bodies to be tested.

Here's a clip from Wikipedia so everyone knows what we are talking about:

Michael III's marriage with Eudokia Dekapolitissa was childless, but the emperor did not want to risk a scandal by attempting to marry his mistress Eudokia Ingerina , daughter of the Varangian (Danish) imperial guard Inger. The solution he chose was to have Ingerina marry his favorite courtier and chamberlain Basil the Macedonian . While Michael carried out his relationship with Ingerina, Basil was kept satisfied with the emperor's sister Thekla, whom her brother retrieved from a monastery.

I used the weasel word 'probably' because I haven't read the original sources I'm taking what modern secondary sources have to say about this on trust. As you've already said, in the absence of genetic testing there's no way to know for certain that Basil never slept with his wife in Michael's lifetime, but Basil's attitude makes more sense if Leo was Michael's son.

I don't even think it's possible to know whether Leo looked more like Basil or Michael. Byzantine coin portraits are poor and the mosaic portraits aren't distinctive enough to draw any conclusions.


I used the weasel word 'probably' because I haven't read the original sources I'm taking what modern secondary sources have to say about this on trust. As you've already said, in the absence of genetic testing there's no way to know for certain that Basil never slept with his wife in Michael's lifetime, but Basil's attitude makes more sense if Leo was Michael's son.

I don't even think it's possible to know whether Leo looked more like Basil or Michael. Byzantine coin portraits are poor and the mosaic portraits aren't distinctive enough to draw any conclusions.

Coin of Basil II - History

The aim of the following brief note is simply to share a recent find of a late ninth- or early tenth-century Byzantine coin that was discovered amongst the rocks at low tide on Carbis Bay beach, Cornwall. Carbis Bay is part of the wider St Ives Bay, where several sites have produced finds of Early Byzantine material and there seems to have been a significant early medieval site at Phillack on the Hayle estuary. There are only a handful of Byzantine coins of this date found in Britain when compared to both earlier and later periods, so it is an interesting find, and may offer some further context for the interesting tenth-century description of Britain as 'an emporium (bārgāh) of Rūm' in the Persian Ḥudūd al-ʿĀlam.

A copper-alloy Byzantine follis of Leo VI, dating from the late ninth or early tenth century, found at Carbis Bay, Cornwall (images: Jon Mann/PAS).

The coin in question is a copper-alloy follis of the Byzantine emperor Leo VI, dating 886� and minted at the imperial capital of Constantinople, which is reported to have been recovered from amongst the rocks at low tide on Carbis Bay beach, Cornwall. Jon Mann kindly communicated this discovery to me and the find circumstances, and I have subsequently passed it on to the Portable Antiquities Scheme (PAS), where the coin is now recorded as CORN-9511B2.

  1. The important 'post-Roman' specialised industrial complex at Gwithian, at the eastern end of St Ives Bay. This has produced both North African and eastern Mediterranean late fifth- to sixth-century fine-wares, along with a substantial quantity of eastern Mediterranean transport amphorae.
  2. The churchyard of Phillack church, on the dunes to the north of the Hayle Estuary's Copperhouse Pool. This site has produced fifth- and sixth-/seventh-century stone sculpture (a Chi-Rho stone and a memorial stone) and a rim-sherd of late fifth- or early sixth-century Phocaean Red Slip-Ware from what is now western Turkey, excavated from the churchyard in 1973. Furthermore, a significant quantity of mainly Late Roman coins have been discovered from a number of sites in Phillack in recent years, with this regionally unusual concentration of Late Roman non-hoarded coinage including coins from eastern Mediterranean mints such as Alexandria and Heraclea that are rarely represented amongst site-finds in Britain, suggesting that the links to the eastern Mediterranean began in the fourth century.
  3. The early medieval settlement site at Hellesvean, St Ives. There are records of post-Roman Byzantine imports from this site, including 5 sherds of African Red Slip Ware from the Carthage region and a possible sherd from a Biii Mediterranean transport amphora.
The distribution of ninth- to twelfth-century Byzantine coins and seals in Britain, based on data from the PAS, the EMC, De Jersey 1996, Biddle 2012, Kelleher 2012 and Naylor 2010 click here for a larger version of this map. Note the two major concentrations of coins and seals shown on this map are Winchester and London, and coins nowadays considered to be modern losses are not included (image: Caitlin Green).

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Byzantine imperial dress throughout history, its changes and consistencies.

After looking at various byzantine paintings, murals, and coins, I've become intrigued with the diverse but also weirdly unchanging nature of byzantine imperial dress. In my experience there are three main kinds of imperial dress:

First, the classic byzantine imperial dress, featuring a tunic and purple cloak :

The first example I could find of this kind of dress was on a coin of Licinius II, complete with shoulder decoration. 315-326

Coin of valentinian I 364-375

This silver plate depicting emperor Theodosius the great in 388 shows him wearing the full version of what would become the standard imperial dress for hundreds of years.

Ravenna mosaic of justinian, 527-565

Silver plates with story of david and goliath, made in the reign of heraclius, 610-641

A mosaic of Constantine IV (reigned 668-685).

Coin of Justinian II, 705-711

Coin of Leo the isaurian 717-741

Coin of Micheal II 820-829

now on to the more interesting examples

Depiction of king david, paris psalter, 10th century

Another depiction of king david, unnamed manuscript from vatican digital library, probably 10-11th century.

Second Council of Nicaea, menologion of basil II, 976-1025

Coin of alexius komnenus, 1081-1118

Coin of Theodore II lascaris, 1254-1258

After this I can't seem to find anymore depictions of this style of dress. In my next post I will continue with the other style of garment.


Coin of Tiberius II, 578-82. This is the first depiction I've seen of this kind of garb. It appears to have been partially styled after priests garb, but also seems to have been designed to look similar to the old toga, with part of the outfit being draped over the left arm.

(there's an odd hiatus here, with no visual examples I know of from 602 to 685)

coin of Justinian II, 685-695

Constantine VII ivory, 913-959

Mosaic of emperor Alexander, 913

Depiction of nikephorus phokas in a manuscript, 963-969

Mosaic of Constantine IX, 1042-1055

Mosaic of John II, 1118-1145

Micheal VIII palaiologos, 1259-1282

Manuel II palaiologos, 1391-1425

These two imperial outfits evolved alongside each other and remained essentially the same for a very long time, which leads me to believe that they may have served two different purposes. The cloak and tunic is much lighter, so was probably worn most of the time and when traveling. The other on (dont really know what to call it exactly) would be much heavier, being encrusted with gold and jewels, so would probably be worn when receiving people in court and other ceremonies.

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Why are byzantine coins after the mid 11th century less uniformly round?

For a long time, byzantine coins were uniform in shape and high quality. They were quite consistently circular and flat with defined edges to prevent edge clipping, but this trend seems to have been broken during the reign of Constantine IX (reigned 1042-1055), where the coins take on a more dish-like shape with a lot of the gold part outside the defined edge. This could be because of his need to make a lot of coins quickly because of his decision to debase the currency, but my question is why this trend was continued even after there was no longer a need to quickly make more money.

A few examples of round coins before the reign of Constantine IX:

From the reign of basil II:

From the reign of Constantine VIII:

From the reign of Romanos III:

A few examples of "dish" coins during and after the reign of Constantine IX:

From the reign of Constantine IX:

From the reign of Constantine X:

From the reign of Nicephorus III:

From the reign of Alexius I:

From the reign of John II:

From the reign of Theodore II:

Does anyone here have any idea if there was a practical reason for this change or if it was just tradition inherited from necessity? It seems quite impractical to mint coins like this, since it seems to encourage edge clipping.

Obey Bayezid



Obey Bayezid


I wrote a long post about this, which I then promptly accidentally deleted by pressing the "back" button on my mouse, so this will be relatively short. The book is somewhat interesting, but the author lost some credibility when he got something very well known about byzantine coins wrong. He writes "the latin term "augustus" did not survive the 8th century, instead being replaced by greek terms", which is completely, undeniably, wrong. "augustus" continued to be commonly used on byzantine coins at least until the reign of Nicephorus Phocas, and in its female form during the reign of Theodora, far past the 8th century. A few examples of "augustus" being used after the 8th century:

From the reign of Basil I:


From the reign of Alexander:


From the reign of Nicephorus Phocas:


From the reign of Theodora:


Edit: there's also an example from the reign of Alexius Komnenos too apparently, though they must have used some technique to read the writing since it's almost impossible by eye:

Can anyone help me identify this coin? Basiliea Selvykou. Rev: ICA

It's a modern or relatively recent fake or fantasy coin, a novelty item of no value.

  • It is too round
  • It looks cast rather than struck
  • The design is too crude
  • It looks like it has black paint rubbed into it.
  • The greek lettering is ungrammatical.
  • It doesn't have the patina and wear pattern normally found on old coins.
  • There are many very similar or near-identical fakes/fantasy/novelty coins sold to tourists.

The side with the man in a crown, quite clearly says "Basilea" which means king(even in modern Greek), followed by a name that may say "Selvykou"

The other side has a herd of animals with the letters "ICA"

This is a cast coin, and the Greeks were not casting coins. While this might be a contemporary counterfeit, I don't think it's worth much. This could possibly be a "fantasy coin" instead of a counterfeit, because it doesn't look anything like a real 500BC Greek coin.

but I'm an ancient numismatist, dealer and collector. This coin is definitely not ancient, and definitely not Greek, though the botched legend is in Greek.

It is a fantasy coin. The design is very, very loosely based on ancient coins of the Seleucid Empire, but the "herd of pigs" or "herd of elephants" on the reverse was never used on a genuine ancient coin. There are several different varieties and they have been making them since at least the early 20th century, possible even earlier.

We've seen them several times on the forum before and I've seen a couple on coin dealer scratchtrays here in Australia, so they're certainly not rare

As for the "King Selvyrou" story, I'm assuming the fake coins came first, and the story explaining them came afterwards. That's because, as I said in the other threads, the obverse legend is actually a blundered Seleucid legend: instead of "BASILEWS SELEYKOY" it now reads something like "BASILEW SELBYKOY".

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Coin from the Byzantine Empire bearing likeness of Christ

Coin from the Byzantine Empire, very likely from the reign of Basill II, bearing a faint front-facing bust of Jesus Christ. The obverse shows Christ surrounded by a nimbate cross. In his left hand is a book of the Gospels. Though worn, the lettering on the obverse flanking the portrait is likely IC-XC, an abbreviation for Jesus Christ. The reverse carries four lines of text reading IhSUS XRISTUS bASILEU bASILE, Jesus Christ King of Kings.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009

Kathleen's Coin

Measurements- 1.5 cm diameter, 2.36 g

Obv.- DN CONSTANTINIUS PF AVG (Our Lord and Blessed Constantius Augustus)

Constanius II’s head, wearing diadem

Rev.- FEL TEMP REARATIO (The Restoration of Pleasant Times)

Large Roman soldier spears a falling horseman, probably a barbarian

Flavius Julius Constantius was born on 7 August 317 in Illyricum. He seems to have been made a Caesar on 13 November 324 in Nicomedeia. He married his first wife, also his second cousin, in Constantinople. When his father died in May 337, Constantius, who was campaigning in the east, rushed back to Constantinople and arranged for his father's obsequies. He may have been the force behind the murder of a large number of relatives and retainers in a purge. In the first part of September 337 Constantius II and his two brothers met in Pannonia where they were acclaimed Augusti by the army to divide up the empire among themselves. After his brother was killed in 350, Constantius obtained possession of his brother's realm. Although he appears to have been a competent general, some contemporaries felt that Constantius was a better soldier in civil wars than in foreign combat and some disparaged his apparent reluctance to face the Persians. One of the longest-reigned emperors in Roman history, Constantius is hard for the modern historian to fully understand both due to his own actions and due to the interests of the authors of primary sources for his reign.

Jan R's Ancient Coin

AE 3 length 18 mm, width 1 mm

Obv: CONSTANTINUS (Constantine) Helmeted and Cuirassed head with a scepter Rx: No inscription, winged victory standing on the prow of a ship holding a spear and a shield

Constantine I is the best-known emperor from the late Roman Empire. He became emperor in 306 A.D. Throughout his long reign he introduced many changes to the empire. He created religious tolerance, which allowed Christians to worship freely. Later he converted to Christianity himself. Constantine realized that Rome was no longer a good capitol for the empire and so he moved the imperial residence east to Constantinople. Throughout his life he fought various civil wars and wars against various Germanic tribes. Constantine died of a sickness in 337A.D.

Gabby's Coin

Coin details
My Coin is by Valentinian I from the mint of Siscia
Obverse: DN VALENTINI - ANVS PF AVG – “draped and cuirassed bust right with pearl diadem”
DN = Dominus Noster “Our Lord”
PF = Pius Felix “Pious and Happy in a sense of 'blessed'”
AVG = Augustus (Emperor)
Coin Details= The drapery on the bust is secured by a large clasp on the shoulder below which we see a trace of the shoulder armor of the cuirass.
Reverse: GLORIA RO - MANORVM “Glory of the Romans” soldier holding Labarum dragging captive by hair
'Labarum' is the term for a standard bearing the Christian symbol Chi-Rho. This type is the most commonly available Roman coin that shows this symbol.

Roman emperorLatin in full Flavius Valentinianus
born 321, Cibalae, Pannonia died November 17, 375, Brigetio, Pannonia Inferior
Roman emperor from 364 to 375 who skillfully and successfully defended the frontiers of the Western Empire against Germanic invasions.

Coin project- Caitlin G. Falling Horseman

Flavius Julius Constantius, second son of Constantine I and Fausta, was born on 7 August 317 in Illyricum. He seems to have been made a Caesar on 13 November 324 in Nicomedeia. When his father died in May 337, Constantius rushed back to Constantinople and arranged for his father's obsequies. The realm of Constantius II included the east, except for Thrace, Achaea, and Macedon. His first wife, the daughter of Julius Constantius, must have died in the '40s or early '50s because he married his second wife Eusebia in 353. Although the marriage was harmonious, she passed away in 360. At some point in 361 before his death he had married Faustina, who bore him a daughter, Constantia, posthumously. One of the longest-reigned emperors in Roman history, Constantius is hard for the modern historian to fully understand both due to his own actions and due to the interests of the authors of primary sources for his reign.

Coin Diameter- 1.5 cm
Weight- 2.30 g
Metal- 4th bronze
Obverse Depiction-Constantinus II-Diademed- per 1 -Facing right-Draped clothing
Reverse Depiction-Falling horseman
Reverse inscription-Fel temp reparatio
Reverse inscription translation
Mint location-AND
Exergue Markings-IMP
Year issued -320-337 AD

Elliott's Coin

Elliott Bartsch Latin Project
Constantius II - 337-361 AD
Length: 1.3 cm
Mass: 2.19 gm
Laureate head right
Rev: Fel Temp Reparatio. (The Restoration of Happiness)
A fallen horsemen being slain by another soldier
Mint: AN
Mint of Nicomedia
Year Issued: After 348 AD
Metal: Bronze

Constans II was also known as Constantine the Bearded. He was the last Roman to become consul in history. He served as a Byzantine emperor from 641 to 668 AD. Under his reign, the Romans completely withdrew from Egypt and instead took control of Carthage. Constans II offered protection to both the religious protection to the divided Christians in his empire. Constans II soon conquered the Balkan lands and made peace with the Arabs. But Pope Martin I condemned his protection of Monothelitism and his willingness to compromise. Constans II began to become increasingly worried that his brother would oust him from the throne and chose to have him killed. The people hated Constans II so he moved to Sicily to rule from there. He was able to conquer Rome from the Lombards for a short period of time. When in Rome he stripped the Pantheon and other buildings of the precious ornaments. He also announced that the pope had no jurisdiction over the archbishop who represented Constans II. His recent moves led to his assassination by his chamberlain while taking a bath.

Peter's Coin!!

Jane's Coin Project

315 AD
AE 18-20 mm 3.2 grams
OBV: IMP C FL VAL CONSTANTINVS PF AVG (Laureated head right)
REV: IOVI CONSERVATORI AVGG (Jupiter standing left holding nike on glob raised with right hand and leaning on scepter. Eagle holding wreath at feet to left, wreath over delta over N in right)
EX: ALE (Alexandria)

Jupiter, or Jove is the king of the gods in Roman mythology. He is also considered the god of sky and thunder, and is often called “Iuppiter Optimus Maximus”, or “Father God the Best and Greatest”. Jupiter is the Roman equivalent of the Greek god Zeus, and is said to be the father of Mars and the grandfather of Romulus and Remus. He ruled over the laws and social order, and his wives were Juno and Minerva.

Constantinus II was the pope from 708 to 715. He died on April 9, 715, and was Syrian by birth. For a year, from October 710 to 711, Constantinus traveled to Constantinople at the request of emperor Justinian II. Justinian wanted to resolve the fight between the Churches of the East and West. Shortly after Constantinus’ arrival in Rome, Justinian died. The new emperor demanded Constantinus’ support in his view that Christ had only one will. Constantinus did not agree.

Soilder Dragging captive by HAIR! by Fritz Richter

Soldier Dragging Captive by the Hair
(Majority of Information was found through Dirty Dozen)
Valentinian I
mint of Siscia
Obverse: DN VALENTINI - ANVS PF AVG draped and cuirassed bust right with pearl diadem
DN = Dominus Noster (Our Lord)
PF = Pius Felix (Pious and Happy in a sense of 'blessed' more than 'jolly')
AVG = Augustus (Emperor) Note the break in the legend honors his position of a senior Augustus.
The drapery on the bust is secured by a large clasp on the shoulder below which we see a trace of the shoulder armor of the cuirass.
Reverse: GLORIA RO - MANORVM (Glory of the Romans) around edge BSISCV mintmark in exergue Q A and a fancy 'k' symbol in field - soldier holding Labarum dragging captive by hair
2cm, 1.76 gm
337- 350 AD

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